Marcin Juszkiewicz schreef:
> > After sending info about OEDEM I got nice mail about how CELF want/can
> > support OE project. I think that you will find it interesting.

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> > I'm not sure where to inject these into the OEDEM
> > meetings, but here are some points that are worth
> > making:
> >  * I'd like to invite some OE expert (perhaps yourself?)
> >  to come to CELF's Embedded Linux Conference and talk
> >  about the project to our members.  Steve Johnson
> >  of Panasonic prepared a presentation which he gave in
> >  one of our conferences in Japan last year.  He gave it
> >  from the perspective of an OE user.  It would be nice
> >  to hear from an OE expert.

ooooooh, nice.

> >  In general, CELF would be interested in assisting
> >  with OE promotional activities.  Ideas for what we
> >  could do would be welcome here.  (Maybe help someone
> >  get to OLS or other conferences beside FOSDEM?  Maybe
> >  provide some other kind of visibility?)

That would be nice, especially since
FOSDEM seems to have most of the european OE devs, it doesn't have devs from other parts.
OLS would be a nice way to make OE known to 'mainstream', IIRC kergoth attended it in the
past. Chris, could you give us some impressions of OLS?

> >
> >  * CELF has lots of resources in our test lab (including
> >  some currently unused host machines) which I'd like do
> >  offer for use by the OE community.

Tinderclients!

> >  We would be happy to
> >  host a sources snapshot mirror (we need to for our own
> >  use anyway - but if we can make it generally useful that
> >  would be even better.)

a few regularly updated sourcemirrors would do wonders for the perceived fragileness and
fascist firewall.

> >
> >  * Our main gripe is that the tool is difficult to use
> >  for a corporate developer behind a firewall.

See above


> >  * Here are some other gripes: Documentation
> >  is a bit sparse (but that looks like it's being addressed).

Can CELF sponsor someone (Holger, o-hand?) to work on docs?

> >  Install can be a real pain (I never could get OE working
> >  on my old Mandrake distribution).

We should ask Riku and/or Florian to add bitbake to debian and the o-hand dudes for ubuntu?

> >  Most OSS source code
> >  control systems don't work from behind corporate firewalls
> >  (including subversion, monotone, and git).  In general,
> >  the system seems very fragile.

See sourcemirrors above

> >  It tends to break a lot.
> >  There does not seem to be an OE release system or QA
> >  cycle per se.  (CELF can offer automated regression
> >  testing which might help with this.)

See tinderclients above

> >  * Finally, CELF has some actual budget allocated to
> >  addressing issues with OE (our planned funding of you
> >  is an example.)

An extra box for OE would be nice for hosting the tinderserver and bittest stuff. IIRC
it's â¬79/month for a box + unlimited traffic.

That sums up my opinions, let's hear yours  :) 

regards,

Koen